but we have a long way to go. -- eliminateets the debt ceiling. the president can only spend what congress authorizes. guest: that is a point of view i do not agree with because it forces congress to face with reality. it is always a tough, uncomfortable vote. if you look at history, it has quite often triggered reforms, changes in spending problems that probably would not have come without that sort of trigger, if you will. so i think it is a useful thing. i'm not for allowing the president to spend whatever he wants to do or raise the debt ceiling. nor do i trust congress to be disciplined. how can you look at and say, gee, i want to trust those folks, they will work it out. the reality is they normally don't. this is a really helpful call.e -- helpful wakeup it puts heat on numbers of congress. i think that is a good thing. host: randy is in riverside, california. he is a democrat. caller: good morning, c-span listeners. when i found out that were presented if cole -- that representative cole was going to be on, i went to see what was his conce